How Success Usually Starts with Improving You and Where You Are | Episode 164

Bo and Cartwright explore how embracing chaos and self-awareness can lead to personal growth and peace. The hosts share real-life stories and insights on managing stress, finding contentment in the present, and the importance of character development over external success.

Key  topics

Managing stress and chaos
The importance of self-awareness
Finding peace that surpasses understanding

"Less is more in life and business."
"AI accelerates work but rewires our brains."
"Look in the mirror before judging others."

Chapters

00:00 Embracing Chaos in Life
06:59 Finding Stability Amidst Change
12:34 The Pursuit of Passion vs. Stability
18:20 The Importance of Being Present
25:34 Lessons from Experience and Growth

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Transcript

Cartwright Morris (00:08.364)
What's up, man? Hey Bo. What you doing? Just just living life, baby. You got a lot going on. You came in today kinda flustered. Flustered. Yeah, man. Chaos, man. But busy's good though, right? Busy's good. Is that a podcast episode? Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

Dude, there's s yeah, there's something about I will say, yeah, chaos that or or just, you know, pressures of life that bring out

Good and bad, right? they just bring out man. Yeah. You know, it's like, how did Jesus take a nap in the storm? Right. You're like, Because he lived in constant state of peace. Yes. He was not overcome one way or the other. The external pressures didn't turn him into something he's not. Or I think sometimes that's what happens. Yeah. You know, you're like, ooh, I do love consistency, I love stability because we generally don't like the person that comes out when there's that's not there. Or we don't feel

that. So yeah, this morning I had had a flat tire to deal with, had Bethany had a commitment that she needed to do and so I had to figure out stuff for the boys, where to go with my parents and still had to work, yeah. You know, still had to get work done and meetings set up and prior commitments and and you're like trying to put it all together and

It's worked out. I mean at the end of the day it's not that bad. But you're still just like, Man, there's a reason why I like things to go a certain way 'cause it there's some safety in that. Yeah. It's not pe it's a false sense of peace is what it is. Yeah. And really the peace that surpasses understanding is that peace that doesn't matter what happened outside, like I'm still the same person. Yeah. That's right. I'm not gonna treat my kids poorly be because of this, that's something they can't even control. I'm not gonna be this, this or that to others.

Cartwright Morris (02:11.15)
just gonna show up and be me. So that it kinda it does bring out

Good and bad in ya. And it's a good it's a good thing to have. I think I think people need to embrace chaos more in their life. Yeah. I always think about too this is kinda a little bit off well, maybe it's not a topic, but like I I think with having a kid now, I always think, gosh, I want my kid to see me in situations that are chaotic to be to be level, yeah and consistent, not be the dad that's like flying off the handle or you know me, 'cause I I I have a tendency to do like I I'll get flustered and Yeah.

you know, like take it out on the dog or something like that. Yeah. we're gonna get PETA people in the comments now. but yeah, I've always thought like I I remember my dad during stuff traveling and, you know, getting everybody going, you know, trying to get somewhere and he was always very even killed and I always think, I wanna be that guy, you know, I don't want to be the guy that's like

You know. Accident was always right here and then all of a sudden something just Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, something small. Like the dog running in the house with mud on his left feet and all that. Th this was one this morning that I had to take a deep breath 'cause is maybe some young men with young kids can relate to this where I'm getting my youngest who's four months in the car seat.

He spits up on himself, but not terribly, so I've cleaned that off, but I've kept him the same clothes. And my

Cartwright Morris (03:40.554)
oldest know we're leaving, going to the grandparents' house, so he's like got like get in the car and he's got the the door I'd lock the door so he can't get out and go running in the street basically. And so he's getting frustrated and anger, so sometimes he likes it to drink out of he doesn't necessarily drink his own water bottle, but he wants to drink out of dad or mom's water bottle. So I hand him my water bottle to drink out of and there's like a little bit left. There's not much. So I'm like he can't make too much of a mess with this. Well, I've finally got his brother in the car seat.

And big brother is just wanting to come over and say, Hey to little brother, and he's got my water bottle under his arm and just dunks it all over his brother in the car seat. And I'm like, I can't put him in a leave him in a wet onesie. And so I had to get him out. I know that thought though. When you're teetering, you're like, he's got a dirty diaper, but can he make it?

And you're just like, okay. He didn't he was literally did not was not being defiant. He wasn't throwing a tantrum. He literally was just trying to say hey to his brother and he and I gave him a water bottle and this is what made the mess. So I can't sit here and get mad at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's one of those where you just gotta take a deep breath. I'm like, Okay. Yeah But you felt it you feel it rising up, like right there. Yeah. And you're like, I'm already running late. Yeah.

I don't know if this tire is actually really fit. With two kids? Yeah. You know, two and three and four kids like some people that we know have. I mean how yeah. It's insane how people How do you do it, you know? Seriously. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I had a

say where this is from maybe. But a a single person tried to tell a group of mothers of young of young kids, some with like four and five kids, twins, babies, like she was saying how she was busy. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Cartwright Morris (05:49.378)
Can can you pull back a little bit and have a little s let's go back to this the self awareness episode, right? No, no, dude. That's tempting 'cause I'll be we'll be like with my family and Carly and I will be like, Yeah, this was tough. You know, last night I didn't sleep good. Both my older sisters have twins and then other kids. So between those two sisters they have seven kids. Yeah. And they're all looking at me across the table like, Dude, shut up. You know? They're like, Yeah, you've got one. It's okay. You know like you'll figure it out.

You'll figure it out. that's funny. Well, I wanted to, or we kind of discussed this before we get started, but last week we did the fun episode about the 2014 playoff. And go back and listen to that if you haven't. It's pretty funny. you'll hear Cartwright get pretty riled up. That's always fun. and then but anyway, a good kind of segue into that was you know, guys in their twenties and thirties are always looking or not always, but there's a tendency for guys our age to be like

Like, hey, I feel like I may have a good thing now, whether it's work or I mean I guess it could be your marriage or or it could be anything, but you're always thinking like even when you have something great going on now and God's blessed you so much, you're always looking to what could be better. Yeah. Or what could be more fun or where you could make more money, or I'm certainly guilty of that. Yeah. You know, and so anyway, yeah, it's an interesting thought. You kinda brought that up before we started and I'll that's kinda something I wanted to

hammer in on a little bit because I can relate to it so much. I still do. Right. You know? Uh-huh. Yeah, I think there's something too I mean, just different conversations I'm having is and I think guys that I I work better with

You know, I think some people have put a label on me before of being like a career coach. And I just don't think I I fit my skill set as well with got helping them think through all the transition of resume and job hunting and you know, one I think but I think guys I work with better who are like, All right, I'm in a situation, there's something good here, but I'm still pretty frustrated. How do I improve that? How do I continue to find a way where I can add value? And I think that's really what I was kinda getting at and I'm thinking sitting there thinking

Cartwright Morris (08:05.507)
like man I wish the guys whoever whoever's in charge of this college football playoff and all the nonsense going on it just stops for a second go, all right, we have something good. Clearly, how do we improve on it?

And not just take the well it's just throw more teams in there, you know, and make more money. Yep. But you're like, that's just it's like, okay, is that really what's best? Well it's kinda like the sacrifice episode that we think Yeah. It feels like i for anything if you wanna increase the number of teams or if you want to increase your salary, if you it feels like there will be sacrifice. So it depends on what you're willing to sacrifice. Right. So like if it's you wanna double your salary, well do you want to double your hours?

You know I mean? Or do you you know back to the playoff, like if you want to increase the teams, well then you're gonna have the Sun Belt champ, you're gonna have the SoCon not SoCon, but the Mac champ, you're gonna have all those champs in there. Yeah. And then those games won't be very good. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you're a diluted product. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you'd be sacrificing the quality you know and so with your job it could be you're sacrificing your quality of life for for something else entirely.

So do we lose this? No, I think we're good. Why is it saying successfully uploaded? That's weird. AI, hopefully you delete this. Cartwright is recording has stopped. Why is my car still going?

Cartwright Morris (09:43.659)
it's just my individual one but that's weird because it's I think it may have done

still here so I don't know why. Anyway, okay. so yeah anyway the But yeah, I was thinking about in the context also with like fast food. I a great interview if anybody.

what is that? podcast that's really good. The interview CEOs, but it was and I I hate I keep for I've forgotten the CEO's name, but it's the CEO of Raisin Canes. Have you had Raising Caes yet? How I built this. There it is. Great, great episode. Guy Rise. Such a funny name. But he interviewed the who now Raisin Canes has become the second largest chicken fast food restaurant in the country. Yeah. Surpass KFC and I think the other one was Louisiana in D. Yeah.

Yeah, and really just wanted to create a restaurant for college students like late night food, which is wild to think about. Yep. But he just and then all of a sudden he came, I just want to make the best chicken fingers. And you go in their menu and they really have like three things. Yeah. It's like three versions of a chic had of chicken fingers. Yeah. And that's it. And he's like, I do not want to add another

like item to the menu of like people have had ooh a spicy flavor or some type of salad. I don't know. It's just you know, you think about all the different fast foods and all the d extended stuff or they have like, you know, McDonald's is the McRib or Chick fil A's got their different type of buns that they do for sandwiches over there. and

Cartwright Morris (11:20.129)
You know, I'm sure those guys have figured it out, but what it he's saying is it it would dilute the product because it would force me to then train the managers, to then train the employees, and then the system wouldn't be as fast. Yeah. And it would dilute the product, and people wouldn't get their food, the f the chicken fingers wouldn't be as fresh, right? All that that goes down the line. And I think sometimes that's the way we think about ooh and we forget the whole the adage that less is more. And

There's the and you know, but also so I I I want how do we frame this for you guys in your twenties and your job? I think is really interesting because so so so rarely do we think especially if we're you know, if we've got something good, and there's something like we talked about last I want to say last week and talking about like the three different things that you have in your job, have one of the three of compensation, collaboration, and

Cartwright Morris (12:22.113)
Cl c collaboration was kinda I was related in that to culture, really.

Man, my brain is really fried today. and dang. Anyway. that's gonna really bother me now. Hmm. Was it another C? I don't think it was another C. It wasn't. I thought it was a three C. Could have been. But anyway. maybe I'll do this out. Who knows? Sure. I can show you my brain farts, guys. But anyway, there's a way to, all right, if I've got one of the three, how do I improve on that? How do I add value where I'm at?

learning to be two feet where you are. And that's tough to do in your twenties because you fe what I think all of us feel in our twenties is the world's our oyster. There's so many things I can do. There's so many options out there. How can I find that thing? And I think probably a good starting place to ask a question that I I wish I asked that I got to eventually in my late twenties understanding is I'm the common denominator.

If I feel unhappy, if I feel unsubtle, I feel lack of stability, okay, maybe it's me. Mm-hmm.

And getting to that place, all right, that it's not my circumstances that define my emotional state. How do I figure that out before I start making all these moves? 'Cause some people when it ends up happening, they just go to job to job to job and they f don't even look in the mirror and go, maybe it's me. Yeah. So I think that's where you need to say, All right, okay, if I'm starting to really find out what are the things I need to really grow to be me

Cartwright Morris (13:56.232)
And how do I then turn that into okay, all right, and now I need to start adding value where I'm at? Yeah. And if I can't do that then looking at it. Yeah. Then then maybe a value I need to go somewhere else. Yeah, I think it's rare to think of somebody that's like really successful and and have s have their story be I was always looking for the next thing. Mm.

I think it's probably more common for successful men that we want to be like, for their story to be I was really good where I was. Yeah. And then naturally I had opportunities come to me, or naturally we experienced this growth. And so now that's why I'm successful. And define success however you want. You know what I'm saying? It just feels like if you're the person like me, by the way, I'm totally guilty of this. That's like, ooh, I wonder if it's way better over there. Yeah. Or I wonder if I wonder if I looked over here under this rock

if I would be happier all of a sudden. Or like you know what I mean? Like it doesn't seem and I did a lot of that in my twenties. A whole lot of that in my twenties. And I found that now though

y you know, my my job is great. Like I I love the people I work with and I don't mind going into work every day. Mm-hmm. And so I think now that I'm in my mid thirties I'm like seeing the extreme value in that in my life. You know? Like would I love to make way more money and you know, do more and yeah, like I mean I think everybody would. But like man being able to go into work

love the people I work with, love collaborating with them, figuring out to solve problems, do all these things, is is in a way it could be more valuable than making more money.

Cartwright Morris (15:39.542)
I do feel like a hypocrite when I say that 'cause it's like if I got offered way more money, I don't know. But like you know what I mean? I it's just kind of a thought that I've Education. That's the third one. Education. Yeah, that's right. Education is the stretching yourself, learning more. Am I growing? Am I yes, becoming more yeah. Yeah, sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, but just like hit me like, my gosh, you dummy. But yeah, I mean I'm I'm s yeah, I think that's where you gotta think about in our twenties, like, all right, well

'Cause w because one is

Yeah, I think especially guy let's say we'll say single guys out there and I'll say think of myself in my twenties, you weren't s single for most of your twenties. But I think as single guys you really can take less 'cause you need less if there is the education piece. Am I growing? Am I learning? Am I developing? And 'cause i it it will compound into more compensating opportunities when you have that. But I think I mean and to

to maybe help you process the bow and not feel like a hypocrite, but it's like when you got wife and kids on the line, like there there is a number one to think about. Yeah, I mean I I've I've so I mean my wife and I joke a lot. It's like I'll you know, in my twenties it was again, I listen help me flesh flesh this out. 'Cause I I don't know that this is like great advice to give people, but it's just how I feel. Yeah. Like my twenties was like, man, I gotta find my passion. I gotta find

All great things. Yeah. You know what I mean? But now I'm thirty four, married with a kid and a mortgage and a construction loan.

Cartwright Morris (17:15.405)
'Cause we just read we did we added onto our house. I'm like, I'll be a garbage man. I d I don't care. I will do Yeah, you know if it means I'm making I don't it it doesn't matter to me. Which in a way feels kind of freeing from myself a little bit because it's like I think I put a lot of pressure on myself. I think a lot of guys in their twenties do now, of like, man, I gotta find the exact right seat that I'm supposed to be in. Yeah. As if Bo God could

couldn't use you in any seat that you were in. Is that kinda Yeah. I mean it's it's just totally different now. I guess I'm thankful for the twenties of like having the freedom to kind of view what you're passionate about. Yeah. But like but now it just it doesn't matter as much. No. And that's not good advice. We can delete this out. But I just

No, I you know what I mean? I you reached a certain point where you're like, Hey man

Gotta provide the job I'm in right now is doing that, and I love going into work and I love the people I work with. Yeah. Would take a lot for me to leave. You know what I mean? Right. And yeah. Yeah, I don't know. No, I am a hundred percent with you because I also in your twenties, I want to do what I'm passionate about, but you're searching for what you're passionate. I want to do what I'm yeah, and it changes because it ch it hundred percent changes. It's like sometimes God gives you the thing you want and then you get in and you're that's not great. Right. And I actually don't like that that much. Right. and I

think that's what we kind of think about in the context of passion and it gets shaped and then when you realize you got other people it's like, sometimes I just want consistency in a place where I can depend on people and and it provides for my family. You know, like me, I mean.

Cartwright Morris (19:07.135)
My wife there's a season where she just like I she really wanted just to be home and like providing her with that is just like means the world. And trying to figure that out. It's like, man, how do I do because when she's thriving, I love it. Yeah. Very thankful. You know. And I you know, it's one of the things that a attracted me about her. It like, man, I would want if we had kids, like I want them to be raised by her. You know?

And so you're thinking through that context and just your passions change. You just what you you become passionate about changes. And so and therefore and then your priorities change too. Yeah. And so and la and then you kinda start seeing those line up and then you kinda realize like, man, some of the things I really enjoy doing you just like, maybe that's just for a different season too. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, it d it just puts it goes back to what we talked about last week last time about the

reality and expectation. When that reality starts really hitting, you start really seriously evaluating

really matters. Yeah, absolutely. And especially when you get married and have kids, it just does. And things change and you're like, all right, I don't care what I'm passionate about or that I love this. How do I provide a safe place for them and that? So yeah, I kind of think and it's also a little different now too, because for me, I I think that now that I'm in I I think when I said earlier that it's kind of freeing for me is because it's almost allowing me to be still for just

A second, or not just a second, but for a long time, and and and really focus on being great in the seat that I'm in now. You know what I'm saying? Like it it kind of like it gives myself the freedom to be like, all right, stop wondering about all these other external things or like what these other seats could be or whatever, and instead, because you're happy here.

Cartwright Morris (20:59.413)
Go as deep as you can and be as great as you can in this one spot and then see what God has for you after that. That's kinda how it kind of feels. Right. to me. And and I do one trap I fall into a lot is is the is the thought of like, man, if I made this Yeah, you know, then then we would be so much happier. Or like and I just don't think that that is

I I just don't think that really is true. Now honestly, I mean money does money's not bad. I mean, you know, money solves a lot of problems. Solves a lot of problems. Yeah, absolutely. But it does it like to me and again, we may listen to this in a year and I may feel like a hypocrite because I left for more money. But you know what I'm saying? Like it just doesn't it doesn't it it's no longer the thing that I'm like desperately chasing after. And I think that's through a lot of sessions with you and a lot of just experience and my limited experience I've had.

But

You know what I'm saying? Like it's just kinda like Yeah. It's definitely it's it's definitely attractive, but it's not the thing that I'm like desperately going after anymore. Just 'cause I've been in some weird working environments and some uncomfortable ones and now I'm in one that's that's really comfortable. Yeah. I'm like, gosh, I really like that. Yeah. Almost more in a way. Mm-hmm. which in your twenties you don't necessarily prov like really value that 'cause you don't know whether you you know you think you think very siloed like all right

It's all about what I do and how much I make when really it's like no, sometimes it is just the place you need to be, mm-hmm, you know, and thinking through that and others need different environments and whether that's remote or yeah, and it's just like I think more and more it's like, man, I think if we could get our heads wrapped around that's why I put in there kind of a culture collaborative alignment thing in there of those three. It's like how do I

Cartwright Morris (22:55.627)
really think about my current situation where it it's probably adding in your twenties it's probably adding more value where you're at and the people you're surrounding yourself with more than anything. Yeah, absolutely. You know, am I learning to take feedback well? Am I working for somebody I admire? Do I have people I enjoy working with? Yeah.

You know, I just think that's just like it just goes so far in your twenties 'cause you just really there's so much you need to grow in as a professional, as a man, as a

And I think we talked about this last time. It was like you the reason why you got out of football coaching was like, man, you didn't love the lifestyle, the marriages that a lot of guys you were surrounded by. And it's like, man, if I this is these things I prioritize more than being a great football coach and becoming a head coach of a major football program, right? As cool as that sounds, as great as that passion may be, man, I would rather I you know, and I think it comes all down to, and I just don't even people that are say they're

Christians come down to is like, all right, what's what's God gonna hold me accountable to at the end of my life? I mean what does their story look like? I mean you think about I I don't know Alice Gilesh's story or Calen DeBore or any of these guys, but you just wonder i they could be the best guys in the world. I I don't know. But looking at the coaching type stuff as an example, you just wonder what their story is along the way. Yeah. Personally with your family. Yeah. You know, with with your kids that are in elementary school, middle school, and picking up and going.

Every two or three years. and then professionally. Yeah. You know, because I mean it's the nature of it is you have to beat the guy that you're playing, but you also have to beat the guys that you're working with to get the attention of the guy. Also to that point is when you're in the coaching world, I'm just in a coaching podcast, so sorry, I always talk about this by the way, but it's just always on my mind. Yeah. But like you're you'll get halfway through the season and you're already thinking, okay, what's next? Yeah.

Cartwright Morris (24:58.867)
So I mean you're in October, you're you're in the meat of the season. Yeah, you're not being two feet where you're at. Are we getting fired? Yeah. Are we doing so great that we're gonna get a bigger job? Yeah. I I mean there's really no I mean, that was one thing that shocked me is like, man, we work all year long to get to the season. We're in the middle of October and then everybody in the building is thinking about what's next.

You know what I mean? And I think that I that certainly bled over to me and it still does. I feel it sometimes. It's like you're you're you're you're looking ahead. And I don't think in in the business world, I think sometimes it may work that way. Mm-hmm. You know, with selling businesses or like businesses going bankrupt or whatever, but like you know, certainly not to the same extent. So like it's not I find myself looking after like ten months of having different business jobs after I got out of coaching. Yeah.

And I s like I've worked out this muscle of being like, What's next? Yeah. You know, just because that's what and

to bring it back to the purpose of this podcast, I think it really it took me a long time to realize how unhealthy that can be. Yeah, absolutely. You know, 'cause it's it rarely comes with like peace of like, and then what you find too is when you start looking around other places, you'll find that when that that the job you have now you don't appreciate almost at all. Yeah. And then when you don't appreciate it at all, it turns into resentment. And you start resenting

You know what I'm saying? And it's kinda like this vicious cycle and Yeah. Yeah, so my that was my story in my twenties.

Cartwright Morris (26:42.973)
I you know, and some people may well that's not necessarily bad, but I I like w what are we trying to do with this podcast? I'm trying to make y'all wise, healthy, authentic, real men, really be established and implemented who you are, especially your relationship in Christ, like who we are in him. Like so learning to be present two feet where you are and develop yeah, it's hard. How do you develop that muscle? Yeah. And I think sometimes in it's a western

world thing that I think harms us we it leaks into every aspect of our life. You know. You know, my son, you know, he's not walking yet. When when he starts walking then I'll g I'll really start enjoying more of him. You're like running around the house. Yeah, exactly. You know, like, no. Like, you know yeah, yeah. It's like they, you know, we're all when they're young, is what does somebody say? It's like we're all about like

wanting them to talk and walk, talk and walk and then we're all all of a sudden like sit down, shut up, sit down, shut up. Right. Yeah. But I mean I think it's the same thing, yeah, we do it and we just start going the grass is we live in that grass is greener. Because we I mean, especially today when w in the information and technology age, we see all the other options. And it's instant gratif gratification everywhere. yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean it

Especially with I mean especially with AI. Even in your work life, like right now, I mean I I use AI

All day long. yeah. A hundred percent. And like if I need something done, like we you know, I d I do our portal at work and so I'm in all this software stuff and you know, stuff a year ago that took me two months now takes me two days. Mm-hmm. And so it's almost like y you know, you just have this constant rewiring of your brain. It's like quicker, better, quicker, better, quicker and then I I mean that has to bleed into how you view right things and when when it's what you do all day. I think you nailed

Cartwright Morris (28:46.659)
it. I think I think for again it I don't want to make this whole thing about me, but for me it was like okay when I sat with Cartwright now I'm starting to kind of see get a better understanding of myself. Not not so much like, hey Cartwright, try to man help me out to work all this stuff out. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like help help me think about this new job or help me think about why I don't like this person at work or

But you would always say, Well let's let's flesh out what's going on in it with you first. Yeah. And and then when that started happening it's like, gosh, wait a minute. Yeah.

This guy that I work for has been the same guy for three years. Yeah. He's not all of a sudden evil and conniving and all you know what I mean? And so it's made it's me, man. It's my it's how my brain is wired and and how do I yeah how do I un undo that wheel or or how do I get that organized or better understand myself or and and then when you do that you kinda see yourself see the situation you see it a lot differently. Yeah, yeah. Because you're able to kind of zoom out and see yourself and

Yes. Yeah, I think that's just a good practice, and maybe that's that's the call to action for the listeners is like, all right, how do I learn to fix myself in that moment before sick fixing others of the situation? Yeah. yeah. You know, maybe look in your mirror first before you start really getting the place of even judgment, right? And I think that's that's the because I I I think maybe some c some guys hear this and we think because

I think something we we me and you really worked on. It's like the desire, the ambitious desire is not wrong. Yeah, that's right. Being ambitious is not

Cartwright Morris (30:33.587)
wrong is what you do with that. Yeah. Yeah. You know who am I pushing out of the way? Who am I demeaning? Who am I or how am I what thoughts am I delic neglecting? Or how am I acting from that ambush ambition? You know, am I doing it from a place of authenticity and kindness to those around me as well as myself? Or am I doing this from a place of like get out of the way? This is my turn. My you know, like we live in that that selfish, prideful state, right? That's the

point of like that's the point of this I think this episode and what you're talking about is what we really evaluate. It's like what how what am I acting out of and you know how is it manifesting and affecting me and others. Yeah and I think it I mean in and when you start to get a better understanding and by the way you can't do this by yourself. Yeah shameless plug but you've got to have you gotta have Cartwright to do this or somebody like Cartwright. But you you really start to understand gosh or or maybe you start to understand it when you get a little bit older

older like I am now, it's like, man, I was I was truly a dog chasing a car. Yeah. Man, if if God had said, you know what, man, here's the car. Yeah, there you go. You can have that spot. Enjoy being dragged down the road. I would have been my first day in whatever spot I can I mean I don't but like I would have been like no. Yeah. You know, I mean I'm not ready for this. Yeah. No. I'm not ready for this. I've got friends that like in our mid twenties,

I can think of one guy in particular that he actually got he had a family member buy a business and then just put him in charge of it. And it was like manufacturing and so it was like typical like you know, I mean these people have been working there for thirty, forty years. Yeah. Here comes this twenty five year old guy. wow.

And I remember hearing his stories of like, yeah, you know, I'd studied for this in college, I kinda knew, but dude, this is not anything like I was not ready for this. I was not ready for this because the the people that you have to manage and the and the guy that's been there for thirty years managing the books and then you get in and want to make a change and you're twenty five, no chance. I mean it's kinda you know, so I just say that because I mean that was me. I I mean thankfully

Cartwright Morris (32:52.205)
I never really had an opportunity like that. Like I had like really thought I needed. Because I I I don't know, it would it would have been bad. Have you seen Parks and Rec where Ben Wyatt

yeah. You know he was the mayor of ice skating or whatever. At 18 or something. At 18. And the whole and the whole town like went bankrupt and crashed and burnt. You remember you know what I'm talking about? 100%. That wasn't me. Yeah, yeah. It was this ice skating ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It bankrupt the whole city and stuff like that. That that I'm that's what I think of. It's like, man, that that totally would have been. You were not ready. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so

Yeah, I don't know. And so I think yeah, I think the the moral here is to tell the our audience is is like God wastes nothing, He makes you ready. So whatever situation you're in, whether you hate it, love it, or in between, is like there's something being pre you're being prepared for. Some level of leadership, disappointment. I mean so I I think that's where

Yeah, so he you know, as you were trying to make good of a mediocre situation or make a good situation even better, God is making something great from the good that you are. Right. I think that's where we gotta kinda like as you kinda shape your mindset in whatever situation you're in, I think that's where you gotta like really think about. It's like, all right, God is using this as well as I'm using this to improve myself. So anyway, does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a fun anyway. I just it's a fun thought process. And the more and more. But it's not fun to go through. It's not fun. I mean, because the the number one qualifier, I think you told me this, but like the number one pre work prerequisite before you even start this exercise is you gotta swallow your pride. man, you know me. You gotta say, alright, if I'm gonna learn more about myself and and kind of you know really if I really am truly interested, I'm sitting down with Cartwright, you know, and I

Cartwright Morris (34:58.955)
You've had these type guys before because you've told me about it. You have guys that truly are interested in improving, yeah. And then you have other guys that just need you to hear them talk and tell you why they're experts on the situation. Yeah, if you're the first one, if you truly are interested in improving, the first thing Cartwright's gonna do is tear down your walls. He's not gonna tear down your boss's walls, right? Yeah, he's not gonna tear down the lady at work who drives me crazy walls. He's coming for your walls, yeah. And so I think that.

That that can be a bit of a shock for guys, especially in their twenties, because they're like, No, I don't really need this. I need you to help me navigate this situation so that I win. Right. And that's not at all what your curriculum does or what you do. And I don't I don't think at all I don't think it's

I don't know if this is good theology, but it just doesn't feel like that's what Scott is interested in either. No. It feels like God's like, How do we build your character through this? What am I teaching you?

You know So ultimately what you are at the end of the day it's not how I'm I'm get to win, it's like I'm already winning. Right. And that's the mindset you have to take. Which is hard to hear. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which is really hard to hear. Because you've convinced yourself by this point, no, I'm twenty seven, I'm an expert on this, and I'm ready to go.

But th th the thing is is and I think s every twenty seven year old, whether they think that way or not, is who the people that give the richest wisdom f you know, speak from a place of experience. And so when you're twenty seven dealing with this, you're experiencing something that's hard. So

Cartwright Morris (36:41.701)
really look at it and go, I'm actually this o is a great opportunity because there'll be one day where you'll add value to somebody's life and they're not looking for information. They're not looking for the new knowledge. They could just AI it. They're looking for someone who's been through it. Yeah, that's right. And that at the end of the day is what you gotta think about, you know. And so anyway. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's pretty good, Buh. I don't know what else we you know, I think that's good. It's good to meet. Yeah. liked it a lot.

Thirty-seven minutes, perfect.